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		<title>By: tar2006</title>
		<link>http://tar2006.wordpress.com/2008/07/19/tars-open-vlog-to-dbc-leaders/#comment-1331</link>
		<dc:creator>tar2006</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben - Thank you =-)

Dean - That was a long message. Indeed, you&#039;re right.. I am 100% agreed with you based on your essay. This is one of reason why we need to start working together - look at my next vlog which they need to see the result.

anon - They will respond when they have a time. Time is killing us.. heh! 

Margaret, this is another side of view and I can understand where you&#039;re stand. This is democracy country where there is no right/wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben &#8211; Thank you =-)</p>
<p>Dean &#8211; That was a long message. Indeed, you&#8217;re right.. I am 100% agreed with you based on your essay. This is one of reason why we need to start working together &#8211; look at my next vlog which they need to see the result.</p>
<p>anon &#8211; They will respond when they have a time. Time is killing us.. heh! </p>
<p>Margaret, this is another side of view and I can understand where you&#8217;re stand. This is democracy country where there is no right/wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Margaret</title>
		<link>http://tar2006.wordpress.com/2008/07/19/tars-open-vlog-to-dbc-leaders/#comment-1330</link>
		<dc:creator>Margaret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dean

You are correct; however, you may not realize that Deafhood has wormed itself into DBC and has been using DBC for THEIR own purposes which is WRONG.  DBC and Deafhood have different missions.  DBC&#039;s is to help educate parents, teachers, audiologists, doctors, surgeons, etc., realize that there IS another method of communication which is our language, ASL.  We also need to help empower our deaf future children (deaf infants and young children) by giving them our ASL in addition to English.  Whereas with Deafhood, its mission is ASL, Deaf, ASL, Deaf, ASL, Deaf, ASL, Deaf, ASL, nothing else.  They are dead against cued speech, oralism, SEE, AVT, cochlear implants.  The Deafhood leaders are so militant.  

I hope you, readers, do see that the mission for each organization is so totally different they shouldn&#039;t be overlapped.  DBC should tell those Deafhood leaders affilitated with DBC that if they cannot support DBC&#039;s mission, they should resign and back off so DBC can re-energize their efforts and move forward with their mission!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dean</p>
<p>You are correct; however, you may not realize that Deafhood has wormed itself into DBC and has been using DBC for THEIR own purposes which is WRONG.  DBC and Deafhood have different missions.  DBC&#8217;s is to help educate parents, teachers, audiologists, doctors, surgeons, etc., realize that there IS another method of communication which is our language, ASL.  We also need to help empower our deaf future children (deaf infants and young children) by giving them our ASL in addition to English.  Whereas with Deafhood, its mission is ASL, Deaf, ASL, Deaf, ASL, Deaf, ASL, Deaf, ASL, nothing else.  They are dead against cued speech, oralism, SEE, AVT, cochlear implants.  The Deafhood leaders are so militant.  </p>
<p>I hope you, readers, do see that the mission for each organization is so totally different they shouldn&#8217;t be overlapped.  DBC should tell those Deafhood leaders affilitated with DBC that if they cannot support DBC&#8217;s mission, they should resign and back off so DBC can re-energize their efforts and move forward with their mission!</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://tar2006.wordpress.com/2008/07/19/tars-open-vlog-to-dbc-leaders/#comment-1321</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 17:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Three weeks of silence from DBC, refusing to answer the questions of the stakeholders.... hmmm

Weird</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Three weeks of silence from DBC, refusing to answer the questions of the stakeholders&#8230;. hmmm</p>
<p>Weird</p>
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		<title>By: Dean</title>
		<link>http://tar2006.wordpress.com/2008/07/19/tars-open-vlog-to-dbc-leaders/#comment-1320</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 17:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sorry to see that some of you guys are still out there in a continuing attempt to mislead us within the Deaf Community about the integrity of DBC core team members.  

Let me mention one of their issues.  It is diversity.  Obviously, it has been taken care of (as testified by many v/bloggers) at the DBC conference in Milwaukee where all kinds of deaf attendees were welcome without regards to CI implants, hearing aids, SEE, cued speech being used as their communications code.  

Another issue is that bilingualism is not being advocated enough by DBC members.  Again that is not true.  It might not be so obvious to many of you who want to steer the enviable and rightful position of DBC into becoming another twin of AGBell: that rightly ASL has to be more emphasized than English considering that the philosophy and long tradition of AGBell has placed so little or no value to ASL in despite of horror stories of many babies who have been raised in tragedy of no language signs.  Just because ASL is  more emphasized doesn’t mean that DBC has abandoned bi-lingualism as the most important thing in the Deaf Community.

It is ironic that those dissenters have not accused AGBell of discrimination against the deaf community for denying an access to ASL for deaf babies and deaf children and yet ganging up on DBC because various communication modes are not glorified enough.  None of those modes is a language itself.  Only English and ASL are bona fide languages.  DBC has been trying to clarify that side issue, but it has been basically ignored.  What’s more, DBC has indicated that all communication modes are welcome, provided that ASL be also made known to parents of not only to (1) hearing but also (2) deaf (especially deaf!) babies and children.  What could be wrong with that?  The parents do need DBC to do them a favor by enlightening them about ASL in addition to English before they make their critical decisions.  

Remember that an overwhelming number of doctors are inclined to recommend CI surgery for financial interests without any mention for ASL when they are contacted by desperate parents for some advice.  We do need to overcome that great odd of ignorance on the part of such parents!

After reading issues on Deafhood in DR and looking at all sentiments shared by some v/bloggers and commenters, I am now inclined towards letting parents know a bit about Deafhood in the website of DBC.  At least it perhaps should remain a small side issue whenever DBC again holds a rally to gain attention of parents attending future AGBell conferences about the rights of deaf babies and children.  So it falls on DBC to make a good judgment.

We have John Egbert for the chairman and his chosen people to serve as a coalition.  Let’s look at how an organization can operate.  When an organization is founded, the founders can start out as a coalition or as a formal organization with a set of bylaws.  The coalition can be an acting organization until such time as when bylaws are drafted and voted upon before it become more formally organized.  The acting chairman or president may be required to make decisions between meetings of his/her board or team or committee that cannot be delayed.  Likewise, the board or team or committee may be required to act between general membership meetings.

The AGBell may have been scheduled for the last week of June apparently before DBC is well prepared to become more formal organization and thus more transparent for those who desire to become its members.  We need to bear more patience with DBC in its efforts to become a more formal organization.  It would not be unreasonable to expect more at the present from John in keeping us posted about the DBC progress.

It is to the great credit of DBC team and committee and attendees to make it a heart-felt and unforgettable experience in Milwaukee.  Regrettably, I was not there but I do feel for them.  

Tar, I hope you would better understand all those issues that were brought up.  Thank you for wanting to approach them in a proper dignified way.  I am sure that DBC would respond in kind.

Dean</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sorry to see that some of you guys are still out there in a continuing attempt to mislead us within the Deaf Community about the integrity of DBC core team members.  </p>
<p>Let me mention one of their issues.  It is diversity.  Obviously, it has been taken care of (as testified by many v/bloggers) at the DBC conference in Milwaukee where all kinds of deaf attendees were welcome without regards to CI implants, hearing aids, SEE, cued speech being used as their communications code.  </p>
<p>Another issue is that bilingualism is not being advocated enough by DBC members.  Again that is not true.  It might not be so obvious to many of you who want to steer the enviable and rightful position of DBC into becoming another twin of AGBell: that rightly ASL has to be more emphasized than English considering that the philosophy and long tradition of AGBell has placed so little or no value to ASL in despite of horror stories of many babies who have been raised in tragedy of no language signs.  Just because ASL is  more emphasized doesn’t mean that DBC has abandoned bi-lingualism as the most important thing in the Deaf Community.</p>
<p>It is ironic that those dissenters have not accused AGBell of discrimination against the deaf community for denying an access to ASL for deaf babies and deaf children and yet ganging up on DBC because various communication modes are not glorified enough.  None of those modes is a language itself.  Only English and ASL are bona fide languages.  DBC has been trying to clarify that side issue, but it has been basically ignored.  What’s more, DBC has indicated that all communication modes are welcome, provided that ASL be also made known to parents of not only to (1) hearing but also (2) deaf (especially deaf!) babies and children.  What could be wrong with that?  The parents do need DBC to do them a favor by enlightening them about ASL in addition to English before they make their critical decisions.  </p>
<p>Remember that an overwhelming number of doctors are inclined to recommend CI surgery for financial interests without any mention for ASL when they are contacted by desperate parents for some advice.  We do need to overcome that great odd of ignorance on the part of such parents!</p>
<p>After reading issues on Deafhood in DR and looking at all sentiments shared by some v/bloggers and commenters, I am now inclined towards letting parents know a bit about Deafhood in the website of DBC.  At least it perhaps should remain a small side issue whenever DBC again holds a rally to gain attention of parents attending future AGBell conferences about the rights of deaf babies and children.  So it falls on DBC to make a good judgment.</p>
<p>We have John Egbert for the chairman and his chosen people to serve as a coalition.  Let’s look at how an organization can operate.  When an organization is founded, the founders can start out as a coalition or as a formal organization with a set of bylaws.  The coalition can be an acting organization until such time as when bylaws are drafted and voted upon before it become more formally organized.  The acting chairman or president may be required to make decisions between meetings of his/her board or team or committee that cannot be delayed.  Likewise, the board or team or committee may be required to act between general membership meetings.</p>
<p>The AGBell may have been scheduled for the last week of June apparently before DBC is well prepared to become more formal organization and thus more transparent for those who desire to become its members.  We need to bear more patience with DBC in its efforts to become a more formal organization.  It would not be unreasonable to expect more at the present from John in keeping us posted about the DBC progress.</p>
<p>It is to the great credit of DBC team and committee and attendees to make it a heart-felt and unforgettable experience in Milwaukee.  Regrettably, I was not there but I do feel for them.  </p>
<p>Tar, I hope you would better understand all those issues that were brought up.  Thank you for wanting to approach them in a proper dignified way.  I am sure that DBC would respond in kind.</p>
<p>Dean</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Vess</title>
		<link>http://tar2006.wordpress.com/2008/07/19/tars-open-vlog-to-dbc-leaders/#comment-1319</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Vess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 06:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you&#039;re a smart guy, Tar. I&#039;ll be real glad to see you as one of our leaders in the future :)

-Ben</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you&#8217;re a smart guy, Tar. I&#8217;ll be real glad to see you as one of our leaders in the future <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/face-smile.png' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>-Ben</p>
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		<title>By: tar2006</title>
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		<dc:creator>tar2006</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 03:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris - Like I said, we’re not here to attack someone&#039;s personal/opinion. I went to that website and I am not convinced because this is his own personal business and this is more of attack someone&#039;s personal which is sad. You can investigate him if you guys like to but we&#039;re here to solution the issues not to complain about someone to divide us. A bylaw is a major necessary for DBC and it is not hard to understand. Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris &#8211; Like I said, we’re not here to attack someone&#8217;s personal/opinion. I went to that website and I am not convinced because this is his own personal business and this is more of attack someone&#8217;s personal which is sad. You can investigate him if you guys like to but we&#8217;re here to solution the issues not to complain about someone to divide us. A bylaw is a major necessary for DBC and it is not hard to understand. Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 02:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tar,

before you be a fool and go any further with Barry, click this

http://www.deafhooddiscourses.com/2008/BEWARE.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tar,</p>
<p>before you be a fool and go any further with Barry, click this</p>
<p><a href="http://www.deafhooddiscourses.com/2008/BEWARE.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.deafhooddiscourses.com/2008/BEWARE.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: tar2006</title>
		<link>http://tar2006.wordpress.com/2008/07/19/tars-open-vlog-to-dbc-leaders/#comment-1316</link>
		<dc:creator>tar2006</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 02:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris - Of course not, they are not looking for any trouble. We ARE looking for solution the issues that need to straight it out. If you disagree with this then we will face the justice of our own consequence of our action with DBC. We must to solve the situation by working together and start to set up more skin on DBC not to divide up ourselves as it isn&#039;t work out like this. Please understand this. Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris &#8211; Of course not, they are not looking for any trouble. We ARE looking for solution the issues that need to straight it out. If you disagree with this then we will face the justice of our own consequence of our action with DBC. We must to solve the situation by working together and start to set up more skin on DBC not to divide up ourselves as it isn&#8217;t work out like this. Please understand this. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://tar2006.wordpress.com/2008/07/19/tars-open-vlog-to-dbc-leaders/#comment-1315</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 01:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris said,

Ok, Dan, Ben, Barry and maybe you, Tar,  I leave this blog as you all are too irrational to accept logic sense.

Tar, I believe that you are not looking for trouble as those guys. Please don&#039;t join their ranks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris said,</p>
<p>Ok, Dan, Ben, Barry and maybe you, Tar,  I leave this blog as you all are too irrational to accept logic sense.</p>
<p>Tar, I believe that you are not looking for trouble as those guys. Please don&#8217;t join their ranks.</p>
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		<title>By: tar2006</title>
		<link>http://tar2006.wordpress.com/2008/07/19/tars-open-vlog-to-dbc-leaders/#comment-1314</link>
		<dc:creator>tar2006</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 01:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben Vess/Dr Hocokan aka Barry Sewell - Thank you for agree on this point. I have read the letter of CI community and it would be interesting how DBC response to that. 

Dan - Thank you. =-)

Chris - You shouldn&#039;t attack someone&#039;s opinion. Barry did not mislead people and me into confused state of mind. He is a man who wants to share about what is going on which is very important to us. If you don&#039;t like the facts about it then it could better for you not to read this. I also want to answer your question, YES, I already went to dbcusa.org website and email over there too. Please quit to target someone, thank you. =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben Vess/Dr Hocokan aka Barry Sewell &#8211; Thank you for agree on this point. I have read the letter of CI community and it would be interesting how DBC response to that. </p>
<p>Dan &#8211; Thank you. =-)</p>
<p>Chris &#8211; You shouldn&#8217;t attack someone&#8217;s opinion. Barry did not mislead people and me into confused state of mind. He is a man who wants to share about what is going on which is very important to us. If you don&#8217;t like the facts about it then it could better for you not to read this. I also want to answer your question, YES, I already went to dbcusa.org website and email over there too. Please quit to target someone, thank you. =)</p>
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